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ОБНОВЛЕНИЕ на 20.10.2016


Название новой консоли - Nintendo Switch


Джимми Фэллон поиграл =) В том числе и в Зельду Свитч =))


Трехмерная модель приставки (планшета и джой-конов):
https://sketchfab.com/models/c2d8eef2b22841...cb0209465bfee0f

К разработке архитектуры консоли на этот раз была привлечена nVidia со своей кастомной версией мобильного GPU Tegra. Разработка, по словам самой nVidia заняла примерно 500 человеко-лет, и включила в себя помимо создания железа еще и разработку и адаптацию различного софта (игровые и физические движки, API, работа периферии, оптимизация работы ОС приставки и тп). Обратите внимание на заявление "The high-efficiency scalable processor", высокоэффективный масштабируемый процессор.

Внешний вид приставки и контроллеров:

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Различные методы управления и варианты игры компашкой:

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Поддержка издателями и разрабами движков и мидл-вэа:

» Third-party разработчики «

505 Games
Activision Publishing, Inc.
ARC SYSTEM WORKS Co., Ltd.
ATLUS CO., LTD.
Audiokinetic Inc.
Autodesk, Inc.
BANDAI NAMCO Entertainment Inc.
Bethesda
CAPCOM CO., LTD.
Codemasters®
CRI Middleware Co., Ltd.
DeNA Co., Ltd.
Electronic Arts
Epic Games Inc.
Firelight Technologies
FromSoftware, Inc.
Frozenbyte
GameTrust
GRASSHOPPER MANUFACTURE INC．
Gungho Online Entertainment, Inc.
HAMSTER Corporation
Havok
INTI CREATES CO., LTD.
KOEI TECMO GAMES CO., LTD.
Konami Digital Entertainment Co., Ltd.
LEVEL-5 Inc.
Marvelous Inc.
Maximum Games, LLC
Nippon Ichi Software, Inc.
Parity Bit Inc.
PlatinumGames Inc.
RAD Game Tools, Inc.
RecoChoku Co., Ltd.
SEGA Games Co., Ltd.
Silicon Studio Corporation
Spike Chunsoft Co., Ltd.
SQUARE ENIX CO., LTD.
Starbreeze Studios
Take-Two Interactive Software, Inc.
Telltale Games
THQ Nordic
Tokyo RPG Factory Co., Ltd.
TT Games
UBISOFT
Ubitus Inc.
Unity Technologies, Inc.
Warner Bros. Interactive Entertainment
Web Technology Corp

The first thing to know about the new Nintendo Switch home gaming system: it’s really fun to play. With great graphics, loads of game titles and incredible performance, the Nintendo Switch will provide people with many hours of engaging and interactive gaming entertainment.

But creating a device so fun required some serious engineering. The development encompassed 500 man-years of effort across every facet of creating a new gaming platform: algorithms, computer architecture, system design, system software, APIs, game engines and peripherals. They all had to be rethought and redesigned for Nintendo to deliver the best experience for gamers, whether they’re in the living room or on the move.

A Console Architecture for the Living Room and Beyond
Nintendo Switch is powered by the performance of the custom Tegra processor. The high-efficiency scalable processor includes an NVIDIA GPU based on the same architecture as the world’s top-performing GeForce gaming graphics cards.

The Nintendo Switch’s gaming experience is also supported by fully custom software, including a revamped physics engine, new libraries, advanced game tools and libraries. NVIDIA additionally created new gaming APIs to fully harness this performance. The newest API, NVN, was built specifically to bring lightweight, fast gaming to the masses.

Gameplay is further enhanced by hardware-accelerated video playback and custom software for audio effects and rendering.

We’ve optimized the full suite of hardware and software for gaming and mobile use cases. This includes custom operating system integration with the GPU to increase both performance and efficiency.

NVIDIA gaming technology is integrated into all aspects of the new Nintendo Switch home gaming system, which promises to deliver a great experience to gamers.

The Nintendo Switch will be available in March 2017. More information is available at https://www.nintendo.com/switch.

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13.01.2017 (12.01.2017 по американскому времени) будет проведена презентация консоли:
http://www.nintendo.com/switch

https://twitter.com/NintendoAmerica/status/...455799302246400

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Aрс Техника методом "научного тыка" измерила размеры основных компонентов Свитча:

Joy-Con controller (individual): ~106.4mm x 34.3 (4.19 x 1.35")
Joined dual Joy-Con controller (no screen): ~157.5 x 115.8 mm (6.2 x 4.56")
Tablet (w/out controllers): ~184.1 x 106.4 mm (5.83" x 4.19")
Full system (tablet w/ two controllers): ~253.4 x 106.4 mm (9.98 x 4.19")

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» РАННИЕ СЛУХИ ПРО NX «

Давно нужно было создать эту тему в данном разделе с целью агрегирования известной информации о платформе и ее обсуждения. Итак, начнем потихоньку...

В марте 2015 года на очередной конференции Nintendo заявила о своей кооперации с крупнейшим японским производителем игрового контента для мобильных устройств DeNA Co. Ltd. Предполагалось создание сервиса, объединяющего все ниновские платформы, а также смарты и PC.


Кроме этого, теперь уже покойный Ивата подтвердил информацию о разработке какой-то "новой игровой платформы" под кодовым названием NX. Все подробности о новом железе узнаем только в следующем году (предположительно в марте), вот немного из переведенной с японского речи Иваты:

As proof that Nintendo maintains strong enthusiasm for the dedicated game system business, let me confirm that Nintendo is currently developing a dedicated game platform with a brand-new concept under the development codename "NX". It is too early to elaborate on the details of this project, but we hope to share more information with you next year.

Also, Iwata said Nintendo's new membership service would play a key role in NX.
Nintendo, together with DeNA, will jointly develop a new membership service which encompasses the existing Nintendo 3DS and Wii U systems, the new hardware system with a brand-new concept, NX, and smart devices and PCs, and Nintendo will be the primary party to operate this new membership service.
Unlike the Club Nintendo membership service that Nintendo has been operating, the new membership service will include multiple devices and create a connection between Nintendo and each individual consumer regardless of the device the consumer uses. This membership will form one of the core elements of the new Nintendo platform that I just mentioned.

Что характерно, в его речи упоминается сервис, объединяющий существующее железо (то бишь 3DS и Wii U), мобильные девайсы, PC и их новую таинственную платформу NX. И то, что этот сервис будет играть "ключевую" роль в концепции NX =)

Прошу обратить внимание на такую ремарку:

What we mean by integrating platforms is not integrating handhelds devices and home consoles to make only one machine. What we are aiming at is to integrate the architecture to form a common basis for software development so that we can make software assets more transferrable, and operating systems and their build-in applications more portable, regardless of form factor or performance of each platform.

То есть их цель не интегрировать портативку и стационар грубо говоря в одну "коробку", а как я понимаю создать масштабируемую архитектуру и использовать одни и те же программные средства разработки для каждой платформы (естественно с учетом железа), облегчить перенос ассетов игр, операционок и встроенных приложений между платформами.
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Новый президент Nintendo Kimishima заявил, что "NX - это не прямой последователь WiiU, как Ю была последователем Wii в свое время. Это совершенно другой уникальный, ни на что не похожий, игровый опыт."

“As far as NX goes, I’ve said it’s different and obviously a new experience,” he tells me. “If you look back to the beginning of our conversation today, we talked about the transition from Wii hardware to the Wii U hardware and how difficult it is to explain to the consumer base what is different and new about the new hardware. It’s difficult to convince them to switch from their current platform to the next platform.”

“That being said, I can assure you we’re not building the next version of Wii or Wii U. It’s something unique and different. It’s something where we have to move away from those platforms in order to make it something that will appeal to our consumer base.”

http://time.com/4131306/nintendo-kimishima-interview/
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По информации DigiTimes стало известно, что якобы в конце первого, начале второго квартала 2016 года на заводах FoxConn начнется массовая сборка NX. Помогать с производством комплектующих фоксконну будут такие конторы как Macronix, Pixart Imaging, Coxon Precise Industrial, Nishoku Technology, Delta Technology, Lingsen Precision Industries и Jentech. При чем будто бы цель Нинтендо поставить в 2016 году ни много ни мало, аж 20 000 000 (!) приставок =)

Nintendo's new game console is scheduled to enter mass production at the end of the first quarter 2016 and despite the fact that the Japan-based company is targeting to ship 20 million units in 2016, the device's upstream component suppliers expect shipments to only reach around 10-12 million units. Foxconn Electronics (Hon Hai Precision Industry) reportedly has been chosen to manufacture the device, but the company declined to comment on its clients or orders.

The new console is estimated to enter mass shipments in the second quarter. In addition to Foxconn, suppliers such as Foxconn Technology, Macronix, Pixart Imaging, Coxon Precise Industrial, Nishoku Technology, Delta Technology, Lingsen Precision Industries and Jentech will also supply components for the device.

Digitimes Research expects Microsoft's Xbox One and Sony's PlayStation 4 to achieve shipments of 13 and 18 million units, respectively in 2016, and if Nintendo's new console is able to ship 10 million units in the year, the company will then be able to maintain its competitiveness in the market.

http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20151130PD203.html
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В январе 2015 года один из топ-менеджеров AMD Devinder Kumar подтвердил информацию, что у них в разработке находится 2 полу-кастомных APU, один из которых на микроархитектуре x86, а второй на ARM и по меньшей мере один из них имеет отношение к игровому девайсу:

Back in December, AMD chief financial officer Devinder Kumar spurred speculation when he said at an analyst conference that AMD had two semi-custom chip designs in the works. “I will say that one is x86 and the other is ARM, and at least one will be beyond gaming, right. … They [the customers] are going to announce it and then … you will find out that it is AMD’s APU that is being used in those products.”

http://venturebeat.com/2015/07/16/more-hin...-nxs-processor/

Сообщение отредактировал AleriF - Среда, 22 августа 2018, 02:17

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В августе 2015 портал GamingBolt собрал всю известную на тот момент инфу и слухи про NX. Под спойлером также инфа на 15.01.2016, агрегированная пользователями портала NeoGAF:

» Gaming Bolt & NeoGAF Info «

Earlier this year, Nintendo confirmed and gave name to something that we had long known was coming anyway- their new console. It wasn’t much of a surprise to anyone- the Wii U, as good as it has been, has been, from Nintendo’s perspective, an unmitigated disaster. And while the company right now is compelled to support the Wii U for as long as necessary, lest it risk burning its most loyal, most dedicated fans, it is also undoubtedly keen to move on from the Wii U to a new console, for a fresh crack at the market.

And that is exactly what they are doing. Earlier this year, Nintendo announced a brand new system that was in the works– it is called the NX, and it will be a brand new line of hardware, completely separate from the DS and Wii brands. Almost nothing is known about the NX, not at first glance- unlike the Wii (then called Revolution), which also had a similarly cryptic announcement, the NX has not even received many leaks to go by. But the more you dig around, the more you discover- and what you discover is very encouraging.

In this feature, we’ve put together everything that we know about the NX, all in one place. As you read, you will learn that not only does Nintendo’s enigmatic new machine sound like a true game changer for the company, but also, it sounds as if it will be the machine to finally get Nintendo back into the game, after nearly ten years of Wii made them a non factor in the larger industry’s ecosystem.


WHAT IS THE NINTENDO NX?

That’s the most important question here, isn’t it? What exactly is the NX? The wording of the initial announcement – a new dedicated game platform – was vague enough that no one was quite sure what NX was. Was it a new console, or a new handheld? Did it refer to a service for game delivery that would be hardware agnostic? What was it?

Since then, we have received several indications that the NX is in fact a brand new console. Specifically, Nintendo’s own developers have referred to the NX as the Wii U’s successor. For instance, speaking to Eurogamer at E3, Metroid Prime series producer Kensuke Tanabe said that a new mainline game in the franchise was probably going to come on the NX over the Wii U.

Indications such as these make it clear that the NX refers to a console. However, it does not refer to only a console. As Nintendo has been letting on for at least two years now, the Wii U and 3DS’s successor platform will be one, and that platform is the NX.





"The NX remains an enigma."

The NX platform, therefore, refers to both, a handheld and a console. However, it does not refer to a hybrid. Former Nintendo president Satoru Iwata has conclusively come out and debunked that idea multiple times. The NX is not going to be a convertible system (i.e. a handheld that docks into the TV and becomes a console). However, it is going to be one brand that covers systems in different form factors- i.e., Nintendo will have an NX handheld and an NX console. Think iPhone and iPad, and you have the idea. This is something Mr. Iwata himself confirmed multiple times:

“Home consoles and handheld devices will no longer be completely different, and they will become like brothers in a family of systems. Still, I am not sure if the form factor (the size and configuration of the hardware) will be integrated. In contrast, the number of form factors might increase. Currently, we can only provide two form factors because if we had three or four different architectures, we would face serious shortages of software on every platform.”

“To cite a specific case, Apple is able to release smart devices with various form factors one after another because there is one way of programming adopted by all platforms. Apple has a common platform called iOS. Another example is Android. Though there are various models, Android does not face software shortages because there is one common way of programming on the Android platform that works with various models. The point is, Nintendo platforms should be like those two examples.”

Therefore, the NX handheld and NX console will share hardware, at least to an extent. Nintendo will take what it learned with the Wii U to model their new hardware to create a hardware base, from which they can derive a handheld and a console. Nintendo’s idea is to make it so that a game developed for the NX can run on both the handheld and the console (Cross Buy, and something that its third party partners are likely to do), or, more to Nintendo’s liking, that it can develop two companion games, one for the handheld and one for the console, using the same code base, instead of having to re-develop them from the ground up (think Smash Bros. 3DS and Wii U, but rather than having to develop two games, Nintendo can develop it once, tweak it for the handheld and console, and put one out for each form factor).

What is the benefit of this? Let’s focus on the chief issue, which is resource allocation. Increasingly over time, Nintendo has found it harder and harder to support two platforms, a handheld and a console. As we have seen in recent years, one always suffer at the hands of the other (in this case, the Wii U seems to be marginalized in favor of the 3DS); as software development grows more and more complicated, not just for consoles but for handhelds as well, Nintendo finds it harder and harder to allocate first party funds and resources to adequately support both platforms.

In this situation, Nintendo has to develop all the assets and pipelines for video games across all its franchises once, and it can then output games to both of its devices. This effectively means that from a first party perspective, there will never be anything like the infamous droughts that the Wii U and 3DS suffered, if only because developing a game for the new handheld is effectively developing it for the new console, and vice versa.





"Nintendo wants all its devices to be unified under one service, with a Nintendo Network ID."

The NX platform then (now is when that wording makes sense) would be an incredible move from Nintendo’s own perspective.

But here is the killer question- will there be any gimmick to the Nintendo NX? Although Nintendo has been a pioneering force in the gaming industry, with several major advancements, such as the Dpad, shoulder buttons, analog stick, controller vibration, motion controls, and touch screens all attributed to them, their propensity for gimmicks at the expense of the overall system architecture – such as with the DS and especially Wii and Wii U – is what has led them to their current predicament in the first place.

The NX, being a brand new line of hardware, has an opportunity for a clean break from these gimmicks that brought down the 3DS and Wii U- but while it may be doing just that, it almost certainly has a brand new gimmick (Nintendo refers to it as a ‘concept’) of its own. We know this because Iwata-san essentially admitted as much himself. Nintendo’s Mr. Satoru Iwata had confirmed that, but he also made that explicitly clear when he stated that the reason that Nintendo is keeping the NX under wraps right now is because he does not want the competition to steal the idea and get the jump– the only way that can happen is if there was something to steal. That is to say, if this was a simple spec bump or power jump, there wouldn’t be any new idea for the competition to steal. However, it is now clear that there is some kind of gimmick to the new system as well.

THE HARDWARE

This is the single most important issue facing the NX, and any future aspirations Nintendo may have in the hardware market, right now. Nintendo essentially managed to carefully spec themselves out of the AAA third party games ecosystem over the last decade and a half, with the result being that that ecosystem solidified around three platforms- Xbox, PlayStation, and PC. For Nintendo to garner any meaningful and long lasting success with the NX (therefore, not a failure like the Wii U, and success more long lasting than the Wii’s was in the end) they need to break into this ecosystem. But that will be extremely hard, and they will need to do everything right with the new system if they want a chance.

One very important aspect of this is the hardware. The reason that the Wii and Wii U ultimately suffered was because their hardware made it financially unviable for third parties to develop versions of their games for those systems- the hardware, being so much weaker, was too different for them to devote an all new team just for that, especially given the historic weakness of third party sales performance on Nintendo systems.

With the NX, then, Nintendo needs to make a system that is so easy to port to and develop for that third parties will require almost minimal effort or investment- at least as of right now, that is the only thing that can assure a steady flow of third party software.





"The NX may end up ‘absorbing’ the Wii U hardware."

Astute readers have probably already realized the issue at hand here- The NX will have a common hardware base for both the handheld and the console. The problem, however, is that there is no perfect design for consoles and handhelds. The central philosophy of NX is a unified hardware platform- so the question going forward is, which one will Nintendo be willing to take the hit on, the console (meaning they go with ARM) or handheld (meaning they go with x86)?

As it stands, right now Nintendo has three options:

• x86 (the hardware platform used by PCs, Macs, PlayStation 4, and Xbox One) is amazingly powerful, flexible, and modular- unfortunately, it has not yet been successfully miniaturized. This means an x86 handheld is a little bit of a stretch- it canbe done, but it may be bigger than expected and/or have low battery life.
• PowerPC (the platform used by Xbox 360, PS3, Gamecube, Macs pre-2006, Wii, and Wii U) is a dead end, and has a cap on the kind of power and resources it can provide. It is, however, great at power management, which is a stated continued goal of Nintendo with their systems (i.e. they want their systems to have low power draw). Unfortunately, it, too, cannot be miniaturized successfully for a handheld size.
• ARM (used for Android, iOS, and Windows Phone devices) works wonderfully on a miniature scale, and it has been successfully scaled up for bigger and more sophisticated devices too. At larger sizes, ARM is not as efficient or generally as good at resource pools or management as x86 is- however, it can approximate it well enough that this is viable.

With PowerPC being out of the question, which one will Nintendo be going for? In both instances, they can still get good results. For instance, an ARM based console could still be very powerful- at least powerful enough to achieve parity with the competition. An x86 handheld can also work- as a matter of fact, we have already seen Nintendo trending towards bigger systems- and x86 tablets like Surface Pro 3 are the best on the market after all.

The question of which hardware platform they adopt is hugely speculative- but we have some actual details on Nintendo’s new system as well. For instance, it is now clear that the NX will not have the insular, Japan centric hardware design mentality that marked the Wii and Wii U. The first hint we had towards this was when Nintendo hired an American hardware architect for its future platforms last year. Miyamoto has also confirmed to Fortune that he is no longer designing or conceptualizing Nintendo’s hardware (the Wii, DS, Wii U, and 3DS were all born out of Miyamoto’s input and vision for hardware and user interface)- stuff like this is making it clear that Nintendo may be designing the NX in a far different environment than the one that got us the odd, neither here nor there Wii U.





"AMD may be designing the full NX chipset."

One thing we do know for sure about NX (or as sure as we can be when the entire existence of the platform is so speculative) is that Nintendo may be going with AMD for the CPU and/or GPU again. This makes sense- Nintendo have worked with AMD for the past three generations, from Gamecube to Wii U, and Sony and Microsoft both employ AMD chips in their consoles as well. AMD themselves have hinted that they are working on a new, unannounced system, not just once, but multiple times.

So, here is everything that we know about the NX hardware:

• It absorbs the Wii U architecture in some form
• It is a common platform across the new handheld and console
• It is using either x86 or ARM as its base
• It is going to have a brand new ‘concept’ or gimmick
• It is not being designed insularly in Japan- Nintendo seems to have hired someone from America to head the development of the system
• AMD may be designing the chipsets of the platform

THE GAMES

Nintendo’s historical struggle with third parties is very well known- it started all the way back with the N64, and continued on with the Gamecube and Wii eras, reaching its zenith with the Wii U, which was entirely abandoned by third parties. If Nintendo wants to have any kind of success in the console market again, it needs third party games. This is very important, or its system and ecosystem will be distinct from the rest of the industry’s, catering to an increasingly shrinking userbase.

But is it possible for them to even get any more third party support? Or are third parties a lost cause entirely? Interestingly enough, that does not seem to be the case- Fortune reports that Nintendo started to talk to third parties about the NX at E3 this year, and that third parties responded favorably to the system. Now, of course, early indications like these are meaningless, and new systems always get enthusiastic endorsements from third parties – remember just how enthusiastic third party partners were about the PS Vita or Nintendo’s own Wii U? – but we are getting more and more tangible indications that third parties may actually be on board with Nintendo’s newest machine. For example, just a few months ago, Ready at Dawn may have inadvertently announced the world’s very first NX game too. Slightly Mad Studios is apparently looking at the NX too, as they have opted to cancel the Wii U version of Project CARS, and decided to move development to the NX.





"Dragon Quest XI was the first game announced for the NX."

But perhaps the most ringing endorsement for the NX comes from Square Enix. The very first NX games ever announced were announced by Square Enix, when they stated, in no uncertain terms, that Dragon Quest X and Dragon Quest XI would be coming to the NX (the announcement was later partially retracted, presumably because Nintendo themselves have not officially unveiled the NX yet). That’s not all, either, as they have also publicly discussed the prospect of Final Fantasy XIV hitting the NX.

Square Enix, at least, then, seems to be on board with the NX. The fact that third parties are responding favorably to the system, and that graphics intensive third parties, like Square Enix and Ready at Dawn, are considering the NX in their future plans, bodes well for the kind of system that it might be, and is also an implicit endorsement of the hardware itself.

Equally important for a Nintendo console are the first party games. And here is where things start to get interesting. For instance, as was already mentioned before, Nintendo seems to be hinting at a new Metroid Prime game for the NX. There is then the case of the new Legend of Zelda game that was announced last year, but then mysteriously delayed this year, after it was clear that even Mario Kart and Smash Bros. had been unable to resuscitate the Wii U- with no reasons or even date having been given for the new Zelda game, it has become clear that it may be NX bound. The game may still yet get a Wii U version, but there will also certainly be an NX version at launch, much like Twilight Princess back in 2006.





"Was The Legend of Zelda delayed so it could launch on the NX?"

If you want more Nintendo first party games, it is clear they are coming- Nintendo’s E3 performance this year is proof of that. Remember, there was no major first party game announced for the Wii U or 3DS this year. All announced games, from Star Fox to Animal Crossing Amiibo Party, were either outsourced to second party developers, or being built by skeleton crews. No new 3DS games were announced either, and this is the first year since 2009 that we have not received a new mainline Pokemon game. This, then, begs the question- just what are Nintendo’s own teams doing? The easy and exciting answer? They are working on games for the NX.

MORE REASONS TO BE EXCITED





"Imagine a Nintendo Network that doesn’t suck, for a change."

These are smaller things, but they are all important issues, issues that have continued to plague Nintendo’s hardware, and been symptomatic of the mentality that pervades the company. These are issues that, when cascaded, make Nintendo’s hardware hard to enjoy, but that Nintendo has promised will be addressed with the NX.

• Nintendo’s online will finally be on par. Understanding their own incompetence at creating networks, Nintendo have finally capitulated- they will be outsourcing the Nintendo Network, starting NX, to Japanese mobile gaming and network firm DeNA, who will instead create the Nintendo Network for them. All the features that we expect from modern networks, such as achievements, party chat, and universal friends lists can all be expected from the new Nintendo Network- and with Nintendo doubling down on eSports, highly advanced sharing features may be incoming as well.
• Nintendo’s NX will almost certainly be region free. This will make it the first Nintendo handheld in ten years, and the first Nintendo console ever, to do away with the region lock.
• The NX might be backwards compatible with the Wii U. Iwata-san’s comments, which suggested that the NX will ‘absorb’ the Wii U hardware in some way (whether via emulation, or by actually having the Wii U SoC on board, much like launch PS3 models did with the PS2 EE), suggests that all your Wii U games – retail, digital, Virtual Console, first and third party – will run on the NX. This also means that if you are one of those many people who missed out on the excellent Wii U library, you’ll get another chance to enjoy those games.

WHEN IS THE NX COMING OUT?

So… okay, when exactly is this thing going to be out? Because, assuming that the NX is a PS4 level console (which it probably will be, going by the third party game announcements that we have received), timing will be paramount here- if Nintendo launch the thing in 2022, just as the PS5 and Xbox Two are launching, then they’re going to have the exact same issues again, won’t they?

Happily, it sounds like the NX may be launching much, much sooner than that.

According to DigiTimes, a source familiar with assembly lines and manufacturing processes, and one that has had plenty of accurate and authentic leaks about iOS products, the PS4, and Xbox One in the past, it appears as though Nintendo is gearing up to launch the NX soon. Very soon. It seems like Nintendo aims to launch this system in July 2016. That’s not all, either- it sounds like they want to sell a staggering 20 million of these in the first year. That, in turn, seems to suggest that the NX will almost certainly be launching with both, the handheld and the console variants, together next year.





"The new Nintendo handheld and console may be just a year away from launch."

As for the price? Well, that’s the thing that’s up in the air, isn’t it? The thing here is, no console can ever be too expensive- the PS3 and Xbox One launches are proof of that. No handheld can ever be too expensive either- the PS Vita and Nintendo 3DS are proof of that. Especially, no Nintendo console can be too expensive. Since Nintendo skimp out on the value added services that the other two consoles offer, they have a lower cap for their pricing than the other two machines do (the Wii U launch is proof of that).

So what would the price be? The planned shipments (20 million) suggest that the price will be low and mass market, at least for one variant between the handheld and the console. It is highly probable that Nintendo starts with low end SKUs for the NX, and, given their multiple SKU and form factor strategy, eventually introduce higher priced ones (much as they did with the XL variants of their handhelds).

So there we have it- this is everything that we currently know about the NX. It sounds like an exciting new system from Nintendo, one that will be aimed at core gamers rather than casual gamers, given Nintendo’s recent distaste for the casual audiences. What it will be, we don’t know yet, but a new system is always an exciting time for the industry- hopefully Nintendo has learned from the failures of the Wii U and will make the right moves this time. They might not get another chance if the next one fails.

http://gamingbolt.com/nintendo-nx-hardware...ou-need-to-know

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Инфа, собранная на NeoGaf:

1. Nintendo merged their handheld and console systems, now known as the "Integrated Research & Development Division" Or IRDD. This is headed by Genyo Tekada, the Senior Managing Director. (Source)


Originally Posted by Iwata on Jan 31st, 2013



"As you might already know from some newspaper reports, we will reorganize our development divisions next month for the first time in nine years. Two divisions which have independently developed handheld devices and home consoles will be united to form the Integrated Research & Development Division, which will be headed by Genyo Takeda, Senior Managing Director."

2. Iwata's first mention of a new project that will feature unified architectures. (Source)

Originally Posted by Iwata on Jan 31st, 2013

"Last year we also started a project to integrate the architecture for our future platforms. What we mean by integrating platforms is not integrating handhelds devices and home consoles to make only one machine. What we are aiming at is to integrate the architecture to form a common basis for software development so that we can make software assets more transferrable, and operating systems and their build-in applications more portable, regardless of form factor or performance of each platform. They will also work to avoid software lineup shortages or software development delays which tend to happen just after the launch of new hardware.
Some time ago it was technologically impossible to have the same architecture for handheld devices and home consoles and what we did was therefore reasonable. Although it has not been long since we began to integrate the architecture and this will have no short-term result, we believe that it will provide a great benefit to our platform business in the long run. I am covering this topic as today is our Corporate Management Policy Briefing."

3. Another mention of the architecture by Iwata, and how he wanted to take advantage of what they've done Wii U's architecture but not actually reuse it. Also expressing dissatisfaction with the effort needed when porting Wii games to 3DS and 3DS games to Wii U as a reason to do this. Also mentions how when this happens. consoles and handhelds will no longer be different, but like brothers in a family of systems. (Source)

Originally Posted by Iwata on Jan 30th, 2014

"For example, currently it requires a huge amount of effort to port Wii software to Nintendo 3DS because not only their resolutions but also the methods of software development are entirely different. The same thing happens when we try to port Nintendo 3DS software to Wii U. If the transition of software from platform to platform can be made simpler, this will help solve the problem of game shortages in the launch periods of new platforms. Also, as technological advances took place at such a dramatic rate, and we were forced to choose the best technologies for video games under cost restrictions, each time we developed a new platform, we always ended up developing a system that was completely different from its predecessor. The only exception was when we went from Nintendo GameCube to Wii. Though the controller changed completely, the actual computer and graphics chips were developed very smoothly as they were very similar to those of Nintendo GameCube, but all the other systems required ground-up effort. However, I think that we no longer need this kind of effort under the current circumstances. In this perspective, while we are only going to be able to start this with the next system, it will become important for us to accurately take advantage of what we have done with the Wii U architecture. It of course does not mean that we are going to use exactly the same architecture as Wii U, but we are going to create a system that can absorb the Wii U architecture adequately. When this happens, home consoles and handheld devices will no longer be completely different, and they will become like brothers in a family of systems."

4. Iwata's comments about the above being compared to Apple and Android. (Source)

Originally Posted by Iwata on Jan 30th, 2014

"Still, I am not sure if the form factor (the size and configuration of the hardware) will be integrated. In contrast, the number of form factors might increase. Currently, we can only provide two form factors because if we had three or four different architectures, we would face serious shortages of software on every platform. To cite a specific case, Apple is able to release smart devices with various form factors one after another because there is one way of programming adopted by all platforms. Apple has a common platform called iOS. Another example is Android. Though there are various models, Android does not face software shortages because there is one common way of programming on the Android platform that works with various models. The point is, Nintendo platforms should be like those two examples. Whether we will ultimately need just one device will be determined by what consumers demand in the future, and that is not something we know at the moment. However, we are hoping to change and correct the situation in which we develop games for different platforms individually and sometimes disappoint consumers with game shortages as we attempt to move from one platform to another, and we believe that we will be able to deliver tangible results in the future."

5. The NX is announced and is the codename of "a dedicated game platform with a brand-new concept", with more information to be shared in 2016. (Source)

Originally Posted by Iwata on March 17th, 2015



"As proof that Nintendo maintains strong enthusiasm for the dedicated game system business, let me confirm that Nintendo is currently developing a dedicated game platform with a brand-new concept under the development codename “NX.” It is too early to elaborate on the details of this project, but we hope to share more information with you next year."

6. Iwata also announced a new "membership service" that they're working with DeNA on that encompasses NX alongside Wii U, 3DS, mobile devices, and PC's and will form one of the "core elements" of the NX. (Source)

Originally Posted by Iwata on March 17th, 2015



"Nintendo, together with DeNA, will jointly develop a new membership service which encompasses the existing Nintendo 3DS and Wii U systems, the new hardware system with a brand-new concept, NX, and smart devices and PCs, and Nintendo will be the primary party to operate this new membership service. Unlike the Club Nintendo membership service that Nintendo has been operating, the new membership service will include multiple devices and create a connection between Nintendo and each individual consumer regardless of the device the consumer uses. This membership will form one of the core elements of the new Nintendo platform that I just mentioned."

7. Iwata discussed about Nintendo "internally analyzing what hurdles exist" to the removal of region-locking for the NX. (Source)

Originally Posted by Iwata on May 8th, 2015

"My understanding is that it is not realistic on the existing video game systems because unlocking them after they are already on the market poses a number of hurdles. On the other hand, regarding NX, we understand that many consumers hold such opinions and such suggestions exist in the market, and although we have nothing concrete at the moment, we are internally analyzing what hurdles exist to lifting region locks. That is the situation right now. We acknowledge your request, and I personally want to give it positive consideration."

8. Games-wise, originally Dragon Quest X and Dragon Quest XI were officially confirmed at the Dragon Quest XI unveiling event by the producer. However, Square-Enix afterward claimed this is only merely a "consideration". (Source of both quotes)

Originally Posted by Yosuke Saito on July 28th, 2015 when announcing the games on NX



“Dragon Quest XI, which we announced today, as well as Dragon Quest X, which I’m working as a producer, are planned for release on the NX, which Nintendo is currently developing,”

Originally Posted by Square Enix on the NX versions being a "consideration"

“Our press release contained the official statement that had been originally planned, and there is no reason to believe any changes were made mid-way to the content of the official announcement. The comment made during the event was not based on the official statement, so please allow us to correct our statement at this moment. We regret any confusion this may have caused.”

9. Wall Street Journal reported that Nintendo has already shipped NX dev kits to certain 3rd-party developers, and that sources claim the NX will likely feature both a console and a handheld unit that can be used together or on the go for separate use, and use "industry-leading chips" after "criticism that the Wii U’s capabilities didn’t match those of competitors". (Source)

Originally Posted by Wall Street Journal on Oct 16th, 2015

TOKYO— Nintendo Co. has begun distributing a software development kit for its new NX videogame platform, people familiar with the matter said, suggesting the company is on track to introduce the product as early as next year.

The kit is used by third-party software developers to modify existing games for the platform or create new ones. Videogame console makers such as Nintendo like to have popular game titles ready when they start selling new devices.

The exact shape of the NX hardware isn’t yet clear. People familiar with the development plans said Nintendo would likely include both a console and at least one mobile unit that could either be used in conjunction with the console or taken on the road for separate use. They also said Nintendo would aim to put industry-leading chips in the NX devices, after criticism that the Wii U’s capabilities didn’t match those of competitors.

10. The Nintendo Account system was announced. (Source)

Originally Posted by Kimishima on Oct 29th, 2015



"We are planning to introduce a new account system that connects all of these Nintendo experiences beyond platforms and operate a new membership service globally.

It is generally said for any account system that more than half of people registering accounts quit halfway through the process. Every one of you must share the same experience of not being able to recall your account name or password when trying to log in.

Accordingly, we have focused on making the new account easy to create or easy to sign up as well as easy to use, namely, it is harder for members to forget about it.

Specifically, for our new account, you can log in with your Facebook, Google or Twitter account. Alternatively, you can log in with a combination of your email address and your password. Of course, you can continue using your Nintendo Network ID as well.

The name of this new account system is “Nintendo Account.”

With Nintendo Account as the basis, we will provide new membership services.
Today, let me introduce you to a part of the service.

Firstly, on Nintendo’s official website, you will be able to purchase digital download software for Wii U and Nintendo 3DS.

When you find an interesting title after seeing articles or videos introducing new games through your PC or smart device, you can buy it on the spot, and the purchased software will be automatically downloaded to your Wii U or Nintendo 3DS.

Also, in accordance with each member’s profile, purchase records and play records, we will send notices and gifts.

For example, an Animal Crossing character called Isabel may send some information or a present to those who are playing with that game, Mario Kart players may receive a notice about add-on content and we may also send a message that enables the recipient to purchase some software at an attractive price point on his or her birthday"

11. Topic 6 was addressing the recently announced My Nintendo membership service. (Source)

Originally Posted by Kimishima on Oct 29th, 2015



"We will start a new point program as well, which not only involves Nintendo’s dedicated game systems but also smart devices.
With the Club Nintendo membership service that was ended on September 30, 2015, you earned points when you purchased software. With this new point program, you can earn points by playing games as well.

Whether you have played the software for dedicated game systems or our applications for smart devices, you can earn points that can then be used on our dedicated game systems or on smart devices.

Naturally, you can also earn points by purchasing software.

With the new points, you can obtain digital add-on content, which will make the game you are playing even more fun, original merchandise or a coupon, which can be used as a discount for new software."

"The name of our new membership service is “My Nintendo.”
My Nintendo will work as a bridge between dedicated game systems and smart devices."

I decided to stop here since the thread would be twice its size if I include stuff such as the patents and the rumors by insiders on GAF, plus the patents aren't all that certain to be used and were just dug up. I just want to keep things basically straight from Nintendo and in one case a developer and one other being a reliable article.

These should hopefully fix the misunderstanding of what NX is likely to be. Hopefully Nintendo will lift the curtain soon enough.

Edit: Instead of adding new points to the above, I'll just make a new section below.

Thanks go to Toadthemushroom for Topic 12, and to thefro for Topics 13-17! Truly appreciate it!

12. Miyamoto ponders making on game that runs on both a console and a handheld. (Source)

Originally Posted by Miyamoto on June 23rd, 2014

"But over the last five years we've seen that the range of devices that they develop for has expanded, so they're able to decide if they want to create something that is very high spec type of game or something that is for a lower-spec device. So I just think it's good to see the freedom of choice that developers now have.

What I can say is, certainly, within Nintendo the fact that our development environment for our home console is different from the development environment for our portable system is certainly an area of stress or challenge for the development teams. So as we move forward, we're going to look at what we can do to unify the two development environments.

So, particularly with digital downloads now and the idea that you're downloading the right to play a game, that opens up the ability to have multiple platform digital downloads where you can download on one and download on another. Certainly from a development standpoint there is some challenge to it, because if you have two devices that have different specs and you're being told to design in a way that the game runs on both devices, then that can be challenging for the developer—but if you have a more unified development environment and you're able to make one game that runs on both systems instead of having to make a game for each system, that's an area of opportunity for us."

13. Shinya Takahashi says that Nintendo wants to make the NX exciting by looking at the perspective of the players. (Source)

Originally Posted by Shinya Takahashi on June 23rd, 2015

“For us, the next step is to think about what is going to be that element that is really going to catch the attention of a large number of players again and get them excited,” says Takahasi. “We’re constantly thinking about this idea from the perspective of the players and the needs of the players in terms of what can we can do with our ability and our technology to capture that excitement and passion.”

14. Miyamoto has confirmed that he is taking a step back from NX's development after having a large hand in both the Wii and Wii U's development. (Source)

Originally Posted by Miyamoto on June 23rd, 2015

“I’ve pulled myself back out of some of the hardware section and I’m really focused on some of the software that I’m involved in—for example, the new Starfox game,” he says. “Of course I am observing and looking at the hardware, but I am not actively participating and making decisions.”

15. Kimishima confirms that dedicated game platforms are still their "chief preoccupation". (Source)

Originally Posted by Kimishima on Dec 3rd, 2015

“NX [the codename for Nintendo’s next game system] is in development,” says Kimishima, reaffirming that Nintendo will have more to say about it next year, and calling it “a next step in our dedicated device strategy, the core and primary focus of our business.”

16. Kimishima confirms that the NX will move away from Wii and Wii U, referencing how it is difficult to move fans from the current platform to the next platform (likely specifically Wii-to-Wii U). (Source)

Originally Posted by Kimishima on Dec 3rd, 2015

“As far as NX goes, I’ve said it’s different and obviously a new experience,” he tells me. “If you look back to the beginning of our conversation today, we talked about the transition from Wii hardware to the Wii U hardware and how difficult it is to explain to the consumer base what is different and new about the new hardware. It’s difficult to convince them to switch from their current platform to the next platform.”

“That being said, I can assure you we’re not building the next version of Wii or Wii U. It’s something unique and different. It’s something where we have to move away from those platforms in order to make it something that will appeal to our consumer base.”

17. Kimishima doesn't know where the NX codename came from. (Source)

Originally Posted by Kimishima on Dec 3rd, 2015

“As for the codename NX, I don’t believe that there’s any real meaning behind it, and to be perfectly honest, I don’t know where it came from,” says Kimishima, laughing when I ask. “Or perhaps Mr. Iwata had meant to tell me and then never got the chance.”

Edit 2: Datschge found another point below, thanks!

18. Iwata mentions wanting to make a platform that encourages a more active use rate to sustain interest in future games. (Source)

Originally Posted by Iwata on Oct 30th, 2014

"Our output speed is, of course, important. At the same time, we believe that maintaining the active use rate of our platform carries the same level of importance. I think you can relate when I say, when we keep touching a video game system, we tend to look for the next software we want to play. As a result, it becomes easier for consumers to purchase their next games. On the other hand, if the game system is out of our daily routine, we tend to lose interest, making it less probable that a new game will come to light. When we look back at previous hardware that did not succeed, they always failed to maintain the active use rate. On the contrary, the platforms that sold a lot established their respective positions in the market not because they had a lot of games – many games were offered for the hardware as a result of the hardware selling well and it establishing itself as a lucrative platform for publishers to sell their software on. We believe that the real key is whether the hardware is able to maintain the active use rate. I should have mentioned in my earlier remarks that Nintendo wants to operate our platforms by focusing more on maintaining the active use rate, so please allow me to make this comment now."

Сообщение отредактировал dimm0505 - Понедельник, 18 января 2016, 13:32

[Rikimaru]

Сервис уже запущен в Японии. У нас весной.

[dimm0505]

Сервис уже запущен в Японии. У нас весной.

Пускай запускают ради бога. Главное чтобы игры делали, а то щас нагонят волну, сделают пять игр для лонча и опять уйдут в забвение. Кредит доверия после Wii U к ним исчерпан (я не говорю о качестве вышедшего, а о кол-ве).

[Kagerou]

Кредит доверия после Wii U к ним исчерпан (я не говорю о качестве вышедшего, а о кол-ве).

Нормальное там количество. Я бы даже сказал отменное по современным меркам. Просто мультиплатформы нет по понятным причинам - никому наглухо не сдалось адаптировать код под железки нин. А они даже инсталлировать игры толком не дали. Убери с PS4 мультиплатформу - заплачешь. А на хуане кроме неё и вовсе ничего нет. У нин же наоборот - экзы такие, что многим и мультиплатформы не надо. При чём тут кредит доверия к Нин? тупо опять лажанулись с мультиками. А так-то какие проблемы?

Сообщение отредактировал Kagerou - Понедельник, 28 декабря 2015, 12:06

[dimm0505]

Нормальное там количество. Я бы даже сказал отменное по современным меркам. Просто мультиплатформы нет по понятным причинам - никому наглухо не сдалось адаптировать код под железки нин. А они даже инсталлировать игры толком не дали. Убери с PS4 мультиплатформу - заплачешь. А на хуане кроме неё и вовсе ничего нет. У нин же наоборот - экзы такие, что многим и мультиплатформы не надо. При чём тут кредит доверия к Нин? тупо опять лажанулись с мультиками. А так-то какие проблемы?

Лично мне мульти ваще не впёрлась на виюшке. PS4/XB1 для этого есть. Просто не хватает тех игр, которые я и многие другие ждали на Ю. Например:
Super Mario Galaxy 3
Metroid Prime 4
Monster Hunter 4 HD (ну это больше к Крапкому вопрос)
Super Paper Mario U
Luigi Mansion U
Donkey Kong 3D U
F-Zero UX
Animal Crossing U
Kid Ikarus U
Wave Race U
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Не понял прикол про экзы XB1. Их явно не меньше (а то и больше) на сегодняшний момент, чем на PS4.

[Tarantul]

Лично мне мульти ваще не впёрлась на виюшке. PS4/XB1 для этого есть. Просто не хватает тех игр, которые я и многие другие ждали на Ю. Например:
Super Mario Galaxy 3
Metroid Prime 4
Monster Hunter 4 HD (ну это больше к Крапкому вопрос)
Super Paper Mario U
Luigi Mansion U
Donkey Kong 3D U
F-Zero UX
Animal Crossing U
Kid Ikarus U
Wave Race U
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Не понял прикол про экзы XB1. Их явно не меньше (а то и больше) на сегодняшний момент, чем на PS4.

Ну Гэлакси 3 и Метроид явно отложены под NX, как главные бомбы...
Пэйперы переселились на 3DS, Данки Конг уже выходил один, второму еще рано. F-Zero как серия потихоньку отмирает, вряд ли ее реанимируют на ВииЮ... А вот Animal Crossing U и Luigi Mansion (скорее HD-переиздание первой части) - вполне возможны на Юшке. У первой подготовлена хорошая почва, тем более игры серии АС выходя по-очереди то на "большой" платформе, то на "малой". А HD-переиздание LM прям напрашивается.

[AleriF]

А зачем было называть тему «Nintendo Project NX»? Детский пафос какой-то

[dimm0505]

А зачем было называть тему «Nintendo Project NX»? Детский пафос какой-то 

Да чо-то как-то непроизвольно получилось =) Wii U же вроде как Project Cafe кодировали?

[shadowdj]

Убери с PS4 мультиплатформу - заплачешь. А на хуане кроме неё и вовсе ничего нет.

Что за пустословие очередное? В каждой теме надо сказать этот бред? Ответь за свои слова хоть.

[Kagerou]

Лично мне мульти ваще не впёрлась на виюшке. PS4/XB1 для этого есть. Просто не хватает тех игр, которые я и многие другие ждали на Ю. Например:
Super Mario Galaxy 3
Metroid Prime 4
Monster Hunter 4 HD (ну это больше к Крапкому вопрос)
Super Paper Mario U
Luigi Mansion U
Donkey Kong 3D U
F-Zero UX
Animal Crossing U
Kid Ikarus U
Wave Race U

Гэлекси нет, зато есть 3д волд и сразу два New, Донкей Конг есть свой, Анимал Кроссинг вон тоже... не такой, как ждали, но... Обидно только за метроида, ибо консоль словно бы сделана для него, а в остальном - это ИМХО сугубо личные "хочу". Особенно в плане F-Zero, ибо серию же уже лет сто как слили. Зато вон старфокса оживили. А если смотреть отстранённо от личных предпочтений, отличнейшая линейка.

Что за пустословие очередное? В каждой теме надо сказать этот бред? Ответь за свои слова хоть.

Пасанва пришла требовать ответ за базарчег? ОК, сколько по-твоему экзов за всё время жизни хуана? Отвечу - десятка полтора. Сколько из них хоть как-то привлекает внимание? Crimson Dragon, гирьки, хало, райден, Recore. Итого - пять. При этом как минимум три с потенциальной возможностью мультиплатформы. И чо? PS4 - Ryū ga Gotoku Zero, Until Dawn, Uncharted, Ni no Kuni, The Last Guardian, Infamous, Disgaea, Bloodborne. За эндо. Wii U: Project Zero, Mario Maker, Splatoon, Bayonetta, Xenoblade, Yoshi's Wooly World, Mario 3D World, New Mario, Pikmin 3, The Wonderful 101, Donkey Kong, Zelda U, Star Fox, Hyrule Warriors, Captain Toad... Так не пустословно?

[shadowdj]

Про Виию я ничего не говорю.
На пс4 ты назвал половину игр - невышедших.
На пс4 из того что вышло: until down, bloodborne, infamous, killzone
На Хуан: halo 5, forza5,6,horizon2, sunset overdrive, killer instinct
Ты же утверждаешь, что кроме мультиплатформы ВООБЩЕ ничего нет. Если нет игр, которые нравятся лично тебе - это одно дело, но то что их нет совсем - это уже враньё.
Мне например не нравится бладборн, не нравится инфэймос. А на хуане я для себя нашёл куда больше интересных игр, и что мне теперь, в каждой теме завуалированно писать какая фигня эта ваша пс4?

[Kagerou]

Про Виию я ничего не говорю.
На пс4 ты назвал половину игр - невышедших.
На пс4 из того что вышло: until down, bloodborne, infamous, killzone
На Хуан: halo 5, forza5,6,horizon2, sunset overdrive, killer instinct
Ты же утверждаешь, что кроме мультиплатформы ВООБЩЕ ничего нет. Если нет игр, которые нравятся лично тебе - это одно дело, но то что их нет совсем - это уже враньё.
Мне например не нравится бладборн, не нравится инфэймос. А на хуане я для себя нашёл куда больше интересных игр, и что мне теперь, в каждой теме завуалированно писать какая фигня эта ваша пс4?

Открою страшную тайну - половина из того, что назвал на хуан - тоже не вышедшие Так сказать, справедливости ради Нарочно так сделал, чтобы никто не придрался мол "нечестно!". Гонки и спорт не называл также нарочно, обрати внимание - ни у нин, ни у сони они у меня не названы. Причина - качественные гонки есть везде и это никогда не было и не будет аргументом в пользу покупки консоли. Тут берёшь или пс ради гт, либо нин ради марио карт, либо бокс ради форцы, либо пк ради чего у них там сейчас. Если есть одно, второе нафиг не нужно уже. Так что убираем форцу и забываем про гонки, речь не о них и свои гонки есть у всех. Киллер Инстинкт - сто лет как не эксклюзив, с добрым утром Итого - возвращаемся всё к тому же хайлу с припиской от майков "мы не исключаем возможности появления пк версии" Повторяю вопрос - НУ И ЧО?

P.S. Люблю боксы, любимый геймпад - геймпад от хуана, после успеха 360го жутко надеялся на успех хуана. Но таки давайте по совести - консоль полностью провалилась.

Сообщение отредактировал Kagerou - Понедельник, 28 декабря 2015, 14:13

[Grey_Finger]

ну про вскусовщину, думаю, нет смысла обсуждать. Если брать по факту игры, которые есть только на playstation и только на xbox, то примерно одинаковое количество наберется. И даже если убрать мультиплатформу, то это количество можно сопоставить с количеством игр на вии ю, так что это уже совсем пустые доводы. Имхо, конечно же

[Kagerou]

ну про вскусовщину, думаю, нет смысла обсуждать. Если брать по факту игры, которые есть только на playstation и только на xbox, то примерно одинаковое количество наберется.

Не-а. Так было на старте. Сейчас бокс тупо стух. Всё, что было - ушло в мультик, а соньки активно набирают обороты. Года через 3 PS4 будет очень недурна. Берём блокнотик, слева пишем бесспорные экзы бокса, справа PS4, сравниваем.

И даже если убрать мультиплатформу

Даже если?

[shadowdj]

1)Открою страшную тайну - половина из того, что назвал на хуан - тоже не вышедшие
2)Так Причина - качественные гонки есть везде и это никогда не было и не будет аргументом в пользу покупки консоли.

1) Что, простите?
2) На пс4 нет качественных гонок
Все с тобой понятно в общем, проотвечался в первом же предложении и придумываешь новые правила. Скажу тебе одно, хейтить - удел слабых

[Grey_Finger]

Не-а. Так было на старте. Сейчас бокс тупо стух. Всё, что было - ушло в мультик, а соньки активно набирают обороты. Года через 3 PS4 будет очень недурна. Берём блокнотик, слева пишем бесспорные экзы бокса, справа PS4, сравниваем.
Даже если?

моя орфорафия не тянет на истину в последней инстанции, так что видимо так не ипотребляется судя по смайлу

что будет, то будет, но пс4 сейчас явно в лидерах если смотреть на цифры (продаж/экзов), но каждый выбирает для себя кому то больше доставляет хбокс(привет shadowdj ) и в этом нет ничего плохого, так что предлагаю закрыть тему холивара и собственно вернуться к обсуждению новой приставки. всем мир

меня очень интересует обратная совместимость. Сейчас имеется вии, и вии ю покупать желания нет, но вот в некоторые игры я бы сыграл с нее и было бы здорово увидить обратную совместимость с ней)

[UNdrey]

[Lock_Dock122]

Ребятки, заканчивайте консолесрач, никому не интересны ваши стереотипы о той или иной платформе, кроме вас самих. Всех несогласных с этой позицией - оправлю в Р/О на 3 дня профилактики ради.

[Kagerou]

1) Что, простите?
2) На пс4 нет качественных гонок
Все с тобой понятно в общем, проотвечался в первом же предложении и придумываешь новые правила. Скажу тебе одно, хейтить - удел слабых

*facepalm* вот в этом специфика спора с упоротыми фанбоями, да. На бокс я назвал пять игр. Из них Рейден и РеКор ещё не вышли. В чём проблема? Надо было называть на бокс, но на сони ни-ни, ибо сразу видно как на боксе всё плохо?

Все с тобой понятно в общем, проотвечался в первом же предложении и придумываешь новые правила.

Ога, и это я конечно пытался мультиплатформу выше за экзвы выставлять

Для особо ленивых урок математики *надел очки*. Список попсовых экзов с требухой (вышедшего и невышедшего):

PS4: Ace Combat 7, Alienation, Basement Crawl, Bloodborne, Brawl, Deep Down, Detroit: Become Human, Digimon Story: Cyber Sleuth, Disgaea 5, Drawn to Death, Dreams, Driveclub, Everybody's Gone to the Rapture, Fat Princess Adventures, Godzilla, Gran Turismo 7, Gran Turismo Sport, Gravity Rush 2, Guns Up!, Hotshots Golf, Horizon Zero Dawn, Hunger, Infamous First Light, Infamous Second Son, Kill Strain, Killzone Shadow Fall, The King of Fighters XIV, Knack, The Last Guardian, MatterFall, Megadimension Neptunia VII, N++, Ni no Kuni II: Revenant Kingdom, Nier Automata, Omega Quintet, The Order: 1886, The Playroom, Ratchet & Clank, Resogun, Rime, Rocketbirds 2: Evolution, Ryū ga Gotoku Ishin!, Ryū ga Gotoku Zero, Shadow of the Beast, Steins;Gate 0, Stories: The Hidden Path, Tearaway Unfolded, The Tomorrow Children, Uncharted 4: A Thief's End, Until Dawn, Wattam, What Remains of Edith Finch, Wild, Without Memory.

Xbox One: Crackdown 3, Crimson Dragon, Dance Central Spotlight, Fighter Within, Forza Motorsport 5, Forza Motorsport 6, Gears of War 4, Halo 5: Guardians, Kinect Sports Rivals, Phantom Dust, Powerstar Golf, Quantum Break, Raiden V, Recore, Scalebound, Shape Up, Sunset Overdrive, Xbox Fitness.

Разницу видим? Не? Не прощупывается?

На пс4 нет качественных гонок

Таки дела Как же жить-то дальше, на целый год позже форцы выйдет гран туризма новая, аяяй, не переконтуемся на проджекткарзах... И я понимаю, что мульта, я просто о чём выше говорю? Что в плане гонок - абсолютно по боку на тайтлы. Что форца, что грантуризма, что мультиплатформа. Было бы качество. Поэтому на кой шут считать гонки? Или это тупо последняя зацепка? Дескать ну всё хреново, но зато каждые два года новая форца. В чём фишка экзов? В том, чтобы получить что-то уникальное, чего нет у других. В чём разница между двумя гонкосимами? В косметических различиях? Танесмеши. Но я понимаю, да, гораздо кручей список смотрится. Не пять, а целых семь игр получается. Ладно, докинь соням рэтчетта с кланком, нептунию, да грэвити раш 2. Хотел я пожалеть бокс, но таки... )))

Ребятки, заканчивайте консолесрач, никому не интересны ваши стереотипы о той или иной платформе, кроме вас самих. Всех несогласных с этой позицией - оправлю в Р/О на 3 дня профилактики ради.

Виноват, печатал - не увидел, умолкаю

Сообщение отредактировал Kagerou - Понедельник, 28 декабря 2015, 15:00