Каскадный · [ Стандартный ] · Линейный Nintendo Switch: Hardware, FAQ и общие вопросы по железу

[dimm0505]

Новые слухи про железо http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=226218

Может местные технари разжуют нам.

Добавлено спустя 8 минут:
UPD
Вот полная статья http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalf...-by-25-per-cent

Добавили еще один режим работы GPU на частоте 384Mhz (ранее был 307 и 768). То есть в портативном режиме немного увеличится производительность.

CODE

Available CPU Speeds   Available GPU Speeds    Available Memory Controller Speeds
Undocked 1020MHz        307.2MHz/384MHz           1331.2MHz
Docked   1020MHz        307.2MHz/384MHz/768MHz    1331.2MHz/1600MHz

Обидно, что Tegra X1 подразумевает для CPU максимальная частота 2 GHz, а для GPU - 1 Ghz. В Свитче же из-за проблем с возможным перегревом снизили для режима "в доке" до 1Ghz/768Mhz (((

Чуть выше я писал об этом, в том числе и тесте Свитча на частотах 2 GHz/1 Ghz. Но это было сделано для стресс-теста.
http://gbx.ru/?act=findpost&pid=2436954

[Rikimaru]

Добавили еще один режим работы GPU на частоте 384Mhz (ранее был 307 и 768). То есть в портативном режиме немного увеличится производительность.

CODE

Available CPU Speeds   Available GPU Speeds    Available Memory Controller Speeds
Undocked 1020MHz        307.2MHz/384MHz           1331.2MHz
Docked   1020MHz        307.2MHz/384MHz/768MHz    1331.2MHz/1600MHz

Обидно, что Tegra X1 подразумевает для CPU максимальная частота 2 GHz, а для GPU - 1 Ghz. В Свитче же из-за проблем с возможным перегревом снизили для режима "в доке" до 1Ghz/768Mhz (((

Чуть выше я писал об этом, в том числе и тесте Свитча на частотах 2 GHz/1 Ghz. Но это было сделано для стресс-теста.
http://gbx.ru/?act=findpost&pid=2436954

В Shield TV максимальная частота держится от силы минуту.

[Кремень]

Чего я лично жду от Nintendo Switch:
1) Быстрого взлома не важно что будет софт мод или флешкартридж наподобие как у DS
2) Много игр, как мне помнится Nintendo заявляла игры будут выхрдить для нее начиная GTA и заканчивая откровенными так сказать кровавыми шутерами для лиц от 18 лет.
3) Жду урезанную версию Switch в которую можно будет играть с телевизора без портативного экрана, но при этом железо должно быть мощнее чем у простой Switch и она должна быть дешевле.
4) Отказ от блока питания из 20 века и замену на обычную вилку как например у телевизора.

[borka]

1 - может быть, у Н в этот раз получится сделать плохо взламываемую систему? Но в первый год бы точно не ждал

2 - не дождётесь ever. Цельтесь сразу в библиотеку а-ля WiiU

3 - будет две версии. Первая пораньше - дешёвая и только портативная, вторая, чуть позже, PRO - немного быстрее, на которой перестанут тормозить некоторые игры.

4 - чтобы хвост был как у телевизора, сам блок питания с понижающей схемой и теплоотводом надо убрать внутрь... чего? Свитча? Rly?

[AleriF]

Чего я лично жду от Nintendo Switch:
1) Быстрого взлома не важно что будет софт мод или флешкартридж наподобие как у DS
2) Много игр, как мне помнится Nintendo заявляла игры будут выхрдить для нее начиная GTA и заканчивая откровенными так сказать кровавыми шутерами для лиц от 18 лет.
3) Жду урезанную версию Switch в которую можно будет играть с телевизора без портативного экрана, но при этом железо должно быть мощнее чем у простой Switch и она должна быть дешевле.
4) Отказ от блока питания из 20 века и замену на обычную вилку как например у телевизора.

Значит Switch не для тебя, только и всего. Потому что этот вишлист заведомо несбыточный. Такого просто не может быть, а заявлений про GTA и кровищу не было отродясь.

[Nik1]

а заявлений про GTA и кровищу не было отродясь.

С вию видать перепутал. Там аккурат вышла одна игра про кровищу и легосити.

[Hellrazor]

[Nik1]

Рукожоп какой то)))

[Hellrazor]

Рукожоп какой то)))

ну это троллинг

[Nik1]

ну это троллинг

Наш толстый распаковщик коллекционки зельды лучше с этой миссией справился.

[UNdrey]

Лайкнул видосик. Но сколько там народу его замисовало.

[Hellrazor]

Опа, жирному тохе подарили свечу))

[Nik1]

Опа, жирному тохе подарили свечу))

Класс) Хоть за пивом в магазин иди теперь)

[Hellrazor]

Класс) Хоть за пивом в магазин иди теперь)

По такому поводу бери коньяк))

Добавлено спустя 4 минуты:
И вилсе подбросили)) Ему за кол-во подписчиков?)) Он же далек от темы вообще))


Вилса отработал подарок лучше тохи

Сообщение отредактировал Hell_Raiza - Среда, 01 марта 2017, 22:26

[Nik1]

Посмотрел Тоху. Ну косые его ублажили на славу, он весь расплылся в комплиментах)

[dimm0505]

Пошли официальные обзоры (не превью):

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Reviews

• Kotaku
  
  The Nintendo Switch is an experimental game console from a company with a storied history of making experimental game consoles. Whether it will go down as one of Nintendo’s successes or failures remains to be seen.
  
  Big picture: I fundamentally like using the Switch. It accomplishes its central goal admirably, and has already gotten me thinking about it differently than my other game consoles. It also has a number of irritating flaws and hidden costs, and there are so many things about it that Nintendo still hasn’t explained.
  
  Any new gaming hardware is defined by the games it can play, and here the Switch bucks convention. It has a single sensational launch game, albeit one that can also be played on the Wii U you might already own. The rest of its launch lineup is nowhere near as compelling, but the fact remains that playing this Zelda on the Switch has been one of the finest gaming experiences I’ve had in years. I suspect that, Wii U version or no, Breath of the Wild will entice a lot of people to buy a Switch. I couldn’t fault them for doing so.
  
  My recommendation is still to wait. Of course, if you’re excited as hell about the Switch and know that you want one, go for it. But if you’re on the fence, I say hold off. Wait and see if Nintendo addresses some of the hardware issues people have reported. Bide your time and let them release more games. In six months we’ll know a lot more about how this unusual new console works, and there’ll be a lot more things to play on it. Nintendo has made another bold gamble, and only time will tell if it’ll pay off.
  
  
• USGamer
  At its basic level, stripped of all marketing talk, the Switch is a portable system with a television play solution. It's not the first portable console to offer TV-play, but it is the first to have an elegant solution, one that's offered with every system Nintendo sells. As a portable, the Switch excels.
  
  I still don't know if the Nintendo Switch is a system for everyone. I don't know if this is Nintendo's next big thing, or if it'll sell like the Wii U and Vita did. Despite that, this is a well-engineered portable console with the ability to play on your television at home.
  
  
• Eurogamer / DigitalFoundry
  However, as a launch product, the £280/$300 price-point is a big ask compared to the competition, especially bearing in mind a launch title line-up based primarily on Wii U ports. There are also many extra costs too - a larger SD card is essential, the Pro controller is recommended for home use, and an external powerbank is worthwhile on the go. For now, what we have is a strong foundation to build on; it's pricy and not without fault, but we can't wait to see where Nintendo take the concept.
  
  
• Vooks
  So while the Nintendo Switch is the slickest system Nintendo has ever built, it might be hard to explain to family and friends on first view. But it’s an onion, peeling back layer after layer. I’m feeling a lot more positive about the future of the Switch than I was after that first presentation – not just because it seems Nintendo are necessarily doing a better job this time around (more transparency please!) but because the system and the software can speak for themselves.
  
  I can’t wait to see what the Switch experience looks like in a year, if it’s not already a must have now. It will be by then. For now, I have my dream Nintendo console.
  
  
• CNET
  THE GOOD / The Nintendo Switch is a versatile hybrid game console that easily pivots between a big-screen TV and on-the-go portable. Its modular Joy-Con controllers are inventive. The entire hardware feels substantial and refined. Breath of the Wild is one of the best Nintendo launch games of all time.
  
  THE BAD / Besides Zelda, there are only a handful of games and no Virtual Console. Online features are currently a mystery. Screen feels small during tabletop sessions. Joy-Con layout is cramped and crowded, and the left one can have connection issues when wireless.
  
  THE BOTTOM LINE / The Nintendo Switch is a solid piece of hardware that delivers an impressive gameplay experience in a small chassis. But a shallow roster of launch games beyond Zelda and a dearth of other features leaves the Switch feeling more like a blank slate of unfulfilled potential on day one.
  
  
• WSJ - Requires logging in
  The Switch is the most polished, sturdy and grown-up hardware Nintendo has ever produced. Older Nintendo gear feels plasticky and toylike by comparison. That doesn’t mean this new hardware is technically superior to other game systems, though. In terms of processing power, it doesn’t measure up to the latest PlayStation and Xbox consoles, which offer high dynamic range, or HDR, gaming, 4K video streaming and far better graphics. But the difference is that Sony and Microsoft aren’t looking beyond the living room—they want to keep gamers in their seats with their hair blown back.
  
  
• IGN
  As a handheld, the Switch is a powerful piece of hardware with a gorgeous screen, but it's too large and power hungry to feel like you can really take it anywhere. As a console, it’s underpowered, unreliable, and lacking basic features and conveniences that all of its competitors offer. It’s nicely built and cleverly designed to be used in a variety of ways, but the bottom line is that the Switch doesn’t do any one of the many things it can do without some sort of significant compromise. Our testing will continue for the next few days as we try out the online features and other functions enabled by the day-one patch, but if I had to score it now I’d give it a 6.7.
  
  
• International Business Times
  Nintendo dares. No other hardware manufacturer takes the kind of risks Nintendo so often does. Whether or not it ultimately pays off is no reason to ridicule a philosophy that may not have served the company well in recent history, but which did make them a household name. The audacious idea that came to be Nintendo Switch has paid off. It's Nintendo's most impressively well-designed home console ever; a tight, light package brimming with ideas and built to support all manners of play.
  
  The mark of a console is how well it supports a wide variety of games, and Switch does that through its hardware and, it seems, through the efforts Nintendo has made to make it easier than ever for third parties to develop software for a Nintendo console. Nintendo Switch is primed to eclipse the disappointing sales of Wii U, and though we don't know yet if this will be the case, it certainly deserves to.
  
  
• Den of Geek
  But as it stands, as a piece of hardware, we must say we’re impressed with the Switch so far. That flimsy cartridge hatch aside, the system feels like a proper step forward from the Wii U - more solid, more versatile and, while we do miss Nintendo's quaint menu music, more sophisticated in terms of design.
  
  Best of all, the Switch doesn’t feel like a compromise in any of its configurations. It feels natural and intuitive to use as a handheld or a home console, while the ability to use the Joy-Con as separate controllers for the screen, rested on a table via its kickstand, suggests all kinds of multiplayer possibilities in such games as Mario Kart and Splatoon. It's this latter touch that is quintessentially Nintendo - a quirky idea still lurking behind the trendy exterior. Based on the decidedly weird mini-games we've glimpsed in 1-2-Switch - milking cows and the like - we're looking forward to seeing how else the versatile Joy-Con can be used by imaginative developers.
  
  
• Apptrigger
  As it is now, the Nintendo Switch is a wonderful machine if you want to play Breath of the Wild. If you trust that the level of quality of what's available now will hold true going forward, braving the storm and picking one up now to bask in Link's adventure immediately may not be an awful decision. But if you're apprehensive about the future or were burnt by the Wii U, you're not missing out on anything by waiting. As fascinated as I am about what's here, the missing pieces of the Switch's puzzle haven't quite fallen into place for me yet, though I have hope Nintendo can put it all together by the end of 2017.
  
  
• Polygon
  Nintendo has demonstrated in fits and starts that it wants to move forward, and we’re hopeful that it will. But as it exists right now, days before launch, the Switch isn’t even a fully functional console yet, and some of the hardest work the company needs to do has only just begun. As concerning, the work Nintendo is doing appears completely opaque from the outside — and Nintendo has frequently been glacially slow to course-correct when the path it’s set on has proven the wrong one.
  
  Nintendo’s vision is clearer than it’s been in years. Now the company needs to prove it can pull it all together.
  
  
• GameSpot
  The Nintendo Switch feels like the culmination of years of hardware growing pains from both Nintendo and Nvidia. Unlike the Wii U GamePad, you no longer have to worry about being tethered to your TV. Because the Switch houses all of its processing power in its portable form factor, it truly allows you to carry console power with you wherever you go. The fact that it’s able to do that while being lighter than the Wii U’s GamePad is a bit of a technical marvel in my book.
  
  
• Engadget
  My big takeaway from the Switch: Nintendo has figured out how to innovate once again. It's clearly different from other consoles, and it does plenty of new things that gamers might appreciate. But the system's battery life, outdoor screen performance and unknown networking capabilities have me worried. Nintendo has wowed us again, but it still has a long way to go to prove that the Switch isn't another Wii U.
  
  
• WIRED
  From what I’ve seen, I have high hopes: The user interface currently installed on the device is clean, fast, responsive, well-designed. You can tap the Power button to send the unit into sleep mode immediately during gameplay, and pick up your game of Zelda right where you left off. It seems like it’s a thousand times better than Wii U’s slow, clunky interface. You just can’t do anything with it yet besides start and stop a game of Zelda.
  
  And right now, that’s about all one can say about Switch: It has a new Zelda, you can definitely play it in handheld mode, and you might be able to play it in TV mode if you’re lucky. Switch has the potential to be all things to all people: TV console, next-gen Game Boy, wacky motion controls, traditional hardcore game machine, even multiplayer-in-a-box. But today, with just hours to go before launch, Switch is lacking some basic functionality.
  
  
• ArsTechnica
  Verdict: Definitely don't buy it as your first and only console. As a second console, consider holding off until the end of the year unless you simply can't live without a fully portable Zelda right this very moment.
  
  
• God is a Geek
  Let me be clear about what I mean there: as I write this, the hardware will be available to buy in just a few short days, and yet I am sat here with a Switch that has no access to the eShop, or any online features at all. Right now, I’m still waiting on the “day one” update, which make evaluating what it can actually do, pretty tricky. What this means is that I can’t, in good conscience, score this new console as I’d like to, and will have to revisit this review to finalise it when that update hits. Bizarre, but right now, this is a console that plays games, and that’s about it.
  
  
• Attack of the Fanboy
  The Nintendo Switch is one of Nintendo’s strongest launches in both in terms of the hardware and software. The system is extremely well designed for its dual use as a home and handheld console. The Joy-Con require some getting used to, mostly due to their small size, but they server their many purposes well. The proposed launch year lineup is exceptional, with Zelda headlining the launch as an immediate killer app. Nintendo also learned from their Wii U mistakes in other ways, giving the system a definite theme and setting expectations for what this console is and how it works. It has limited uses right now, so multitaskers should likely wait. If you’re a Nintendo fan then you should already have your preorder in though, and video game players in general should be taking a very close look at the Nintendo Switch.
  
  
• TheSixthAxis
  The Nintendo Switch is a fantastic piece of hardware and one of the best consoles that the Nintendo has ever created. We’ll have to wait and see what comes of the device, whether it’s adopted by third parties and consumers, but in terms of what the console can do, how flexible it is and the power it offers as it straddles the divide between portable and home console gaming, it’s in a world of its own.

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• DigitalFoundry - Nintendo Switch Review: The Ultimate Hybrid Console?
• GameXplain - Nintendo Switch REVIEW - Pros & Joy-Cons
• Games Beat (Jeffrey Grubb) - Nintendo Switch Review: It Works Because It's Different
• The Verge - Nintendo Switch review
• GameSpot - Nintendo Switch Review
• GoNintendo - The Nintendo Switch "Not a Review" Review!

У DF хороший обзор (напр. узнал, что UI только в 720p, даже в док-режиме + внешние винты, оказывается, не поддерживаются)



[QUOTE]super overpriced accessories
-left joy-con not reliable
-right joy-con not infallible either
-Nintendo apparently dgaf
-flimsy kickstand/cartridge hatch
-can't charge in kickstand mode
-loses some battery while docked
-720p menu
-bad battery life
-bad launch lineup if you don't like Zelda (if these people exist)
-Online functionality is nonexistant, unproven, will be paid
-no virtual console
-the paid online bonus games are temporary
-giant bomb's joycon rails nonfunctional after one drop
-newest console weaker than competitors from years ago

On the other hand:
-Zelda
-Execution of portability
-Screen
-Build Quality (Doesn't feel cheap)
-Simplified/sleeker/quicker OS

И вот в некоторых моментах как-то не очень. Все хвалят офигенное качество сборки, материалов, нет чувства "дешевизны", качественный экран (несмотря на 720p). Но такие моменты, как UI в разрешении 720p даже в доке(!), небольшое расходование батареи, когда Свитч в доке (!), пропадание связи джойконов даже на небольшом расстоянии. А тут еще и какая-то проблема с вытаскиванием-вставкой этих джойконов в направляющие рельсы. Что-то там загибается, или изнашивается. Блин, хоть вторую ревизию жди ((

Сообщение отредактировал dimm0505 - Четверг, 02 марта 2017, 03:18

[AleriF]

Дисконнект джойконов наверняка поправят. Помню, Wii U первое время очень часто теряла связь с GamePad, не говоря уж о том, что при выключении консоли пад всегда думал, что потерял консоль и сообщал о дисконнекте, и только позже поумнел и сам стал выключаться. А в остальном... Да уж, следовало ожидать подобных проблем, слишком много движущихся-выдвигающиихся частей.

[Serph]

Посмотрел Тоху. Ну косые его ублажили на славу, он весь расплылся в комплиментах)

А я даже не глядя знаю, что там теперь свищ и зельда на 11/10 жирных. Тьфу.

[Nik1]

Да уж, следовало ожидать подобных проблем, слишком много движущихся-выдвигающиихся частей.

Ну не зря же в Мире Нинтендо раздел с аксессуарами для свича называется "Запчасти"

[Hellrazor]

Уже сама подставка сзади отталкивает сразу. Этот кусок тонкого пластика и есть выдающееся инженерное решение?

Сообщение отредактировал Hell_Raiza - Четверг, 02 марта 2017, 10:04