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[dimm0505]

Я еще лелею надежду на нового 2D Метроида на Wii U =) Естественно не из VC "без потери качества", а хотя бы HD переиздание. В этом году 30 лет игре как- никак.

[Angel82]

Да пускай нового пилят, и в 2D и в 3D. 2D на портатив, 3D на стационар, как было во времена куба и геймбой адванса.

[metroid-m]

Слух: NX даже слабее чем хуан https://www.reddit.com/r/Nintendo_NX/commen..._a_frustration/

Сообщение отредактировал dimm0505 - Суббота, 16 апреля 2016, 08:24

[dimm0505]

Слух: NX даже слабее  чем хуан https://www.reddit.com/r/Nintendo_NX/commen..._a_frustration/

после цитаты:
I can not confirm exact specs.

Дальше уже можно не читать (но точно знает что она слабей XB1). Фуфло.

Единственной более-менее достоверной инфой про NX можно считать инфу, которую я публиковал немногим ранее. Источник проверен модерами реддита и неогафа, а это вам не хухры-мухры. Вот эта инфа еще раз (ну и она в основном просто общие слова, о которых и так догадаться можно):

As promised, I've decided to share some more NX information with you. This is second-hand information from trusted sources (like last time) and I have little reason to doubt its validity.
Here you go:
x86 architecture.
Backup data to Nintendo server (most likely My Nintendo).
Support for additional screen.
Can handle ports of current-gen games.
Will be able to interact with smartdevice apps.
Using NX software will unlock My Nintendo reward points.
https://www.reddit.com/r/NintendoNX/comment...eward/?sort=old

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Firstly, I am not a video game developer but have a few friends who work in the industry. Secondly, what I'm about to share is second-hand information (from these people) and most of them do not work directly with Nintendo. Despite this I am 99% sure they would not share false information with me, as I have known most of them a long time and they would not benefit from spreading false information.
This is what I know about the NX and what I can share with you:
You are extremely unlikely to get any photo leaks before the NX is announced officially by Nintendo. The studios (that I know of) that are building / porting to NX only have access to software. Some of these are not particularly small studios either.
Based on the length of development cycles / porting time - if the NX launches this year, then most third party games will not be available until early - mid 2017. Software / frameworks are great to get a head start, but they won't even consider finalizing a game until it's been fully tested on hardware.
Developers who claim to have signed an NDA with Nintendo are most probably lying. The studio will be under NDA with Nintendo and the developers/designers will be under some form of NDA from their studio (not Nintendo). The only exception would be small indie developers and it's very unlikely Nintendo would provide them with a development kit until after the reveal.
NX games will be able to share information across multiple devices. I am not 100% sure what type of information this will be, but the functionality is (apparently) available to third party developers.
Remember, April fools day is very soon and people will go to extreme lengths to fool others. Also, nearly all developers and designers appreciate their jobs and will not intentionally risk their careers just to give unknown people on the internet a couple of months jump on information.
I hope that this information is useful despite it probably not the 'leak' you wanted.
Update: I'm going to try and get verified by a moderator before posting any more. I just have to work out the logistics.
https://www.reddit.com/r/NintendoNX/comment..._want_to_clear/

Сообщение отредактировал dimm0505 - Суббота, 16 апреля 2016, 09:17

[dimm0505]

Еще немного инфы-слухов от неогафовца (от него была уже информация в этой теме). Напомню что слухи T1,T2,T3 и Т4 значат то, что информация получена от 1,2,3 или 4 источников. Сама информация уже начинает походить на что-то более менее реальное. Хотя до каких-то моментов из нее мы тут уже и сами догадались.

Например, что контроллер NX будет с экраном, и этот "мобильный" юнит с экраном можно "отстегнуть" от пада (а может просто сам контроллер будет компактный) и на него можно будет стримить игры с домашней консоли по инету (из любого места мира где есть Wi-Fi и Inet).

Что еще? Ну то, что Nintendo скорей всего будет использовать новый GPU от AMD Polaris на 14нм технологии (а может ее на 28нм адаптируют, это будет дешевле в производстве). А может выпуск NX и откладывают до времен, когда 14нм освоят с низким уровнем брака чипов на выходе.

По слухам в Polaris будет на аппаратном уровне внедрен Primitive Discard Accelerator (отсечение примитивов, невидимых в сцене). Смешно то, что в той или иной степени данная технология использовалась почти двадцать лет назад в PowerVR DC в Дримкасте =) Правда она абсолютно загибалась, когда в сцене было дохрена объектов с Alpha каналами (прозрачных). Не знаю, как они тут решат эту проблему.

Что еще? Luigi Mansion 3 вангуют для NX. Вроде начинали делать для Юшки, но остались недовольны качеством игры и решили на "некстгене" выпустить. Но не исключено, что и для WiiU сделают свою версию.

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T3 Rumors

The NX gimmick. I uh….was told not to post this part by some people. As usual, take it with a grain of salt (although I don’t know why I would be warned if it was false) I’m not under any NDA though, and well, it could end up being false. But I was told a variation of this by three different sources. I don’t believe they have a reason to lie to me. Here goes….

The NX is going to have a screen controller (whether it’s optional or standard I don’t know) and can be used anywhere to play your home console games. The controller itself will not have any processing capabilities, it’ll essentially be a dummy vita. It’ll likely have basic OS functions to access the NX console from anywhere, like a tiny cpu. Nintendo will use enhanced Wii U gamepad streaming tech, and allow the controller to be taken anywhere, connect to the NX console at home (likely through Wi-fi or personal hotspots and the NX console will likely have to be in stand-by mode). Basically, it’s remote play built into the box and won’t require a $200 add-on to experience it. This is likely what Kimishima meant in his interview with Sankei (http://www.sankei.com/west/news/1601…030012-n1.html) “different way to play with a dedicated machine” and the whole “new way to experience games” mantra that’s been going around Nintendo PR.

Speculation: Nintendo could also sell personal hotspot usb adapters to get internet anywhere and plug either directly into the controller or a wall outlet to not drain the controller battery. The Supplementary Computing Devices may actually be portable hotspot devices with chips in it to boost the quality of the stream. (Maybe the NX will be called the Stream, a speculated final name during the WUST’s).

Note: This does not mean there will not be a handheld. This isn’t meant to be a replacement for the handheld as there will still be limitations and the controller won’t have a full OS or the capability for physical game media (discs or cartridges). The needs of a handheld won’t be fully met with this feature. It’s just a nice add-on.

T2 Rumors

Luigi’s Mansion 3 is in development for NX. This rumor gained popularity awhile ago from Geno but this isn’t my source. This was a T1 to start but today I got another source to give some info on it. Two different sources have told me that it is in development for NX, and one source said it’s being developed by Next Level Games, who is big enough to do this and Federation Force at the same time. One source said it started as a Wii U game but after the disappointing performance of the Wii U and the scheduled release date for the game being late in the console’s cycle, Nintendo decided to switch development over to NX. (basically the same situation as Zelda for Wii U, but no word on if this game will also get a Wii U version). The other source said it’s a pretty big deal (he didn’t elaborate if he meant Nintendo is making it a big deal or his workplace is). To support this, http://www.nintendolife.com/news/201…edits_the_post
an employee stealth edited his post last year.

T1 Rumors

The NX will use a custom Polaris-like GPU. Likely will be on a FinFET 14nm fabrication node. The source told me it’s on the same architecture with heavy customizations of course . It will contain the feature set of Polaris. It is “marginally better than the PS4” and theoretically could be “2x the power of PS4 GPU”. I asked about PS4K being rumored to have a gpu 2x as powerful as the OG PS4 and how the theoretical performance of the NX would be and was told “Theoretically it could be close to the PS4K rumored specs”. Of course, we know nothing of Polaris or the PS4K specs, but he gave that metric.

I’m going to paraphrase here, but one comment from a source about the power of NX was that “Dev’s could port over a PS4 game easily and have power to spare. Even the most demanding ones”. My own theory is any game that dips below 30fps on PS4 will likely stay at 30fps on NX and maybe have some enhanced effects.

One feature he highly touted, which improves performance greatly in games, especially graphically demanding ones such as AAA open world games is Primitive Discard Accelerator. A TechGAF member described it as

“designed to perform culling of triangles before they hit the geometry processor. Effectively, what this means is that it runs through the triangles (also known as primitives) as they hit the GPU and tests them to see if they’re actually going to be visible on the screen or not (with a variety of tests), then throws out the triangles that aren’t going to be on screen (i.e. discards them or culls them).

Now, this is a good thing, pretty much regardless of the type of game. Attempting to render triangles that aren’t actually going to end up in the final image is a waste of GPU resources, and preventing that would be a pretty good thing. One of EA’s Frostbite developers actually just gave a talk on this at GDC (PDF link, very technical), where they describe the software-based culling methods used in Frostbite. In their test scene, they could throw out over 75% of triangles before hitting the geometry engine, resulting in an almost 20% performance improvement. AMD have also recently released their own software-based culling solution, GeometryFX, which like Frostbite runs as software on the GPU’s shader units. Hence, they’re obviously interested in the problem of triangle culling, so it wouldn’t be surprising if they developed a hardware unit to perform it more efficiently.”
This was great to hear, but I asked if it was possible to get this feature set on 28nm GPU’s since those are more established and cheaper than 14nm and there isn’t a yield risk on those.
“Well, from a purely theoretical perspective, any “Polaris exclusive” feature could be adapted to a 28nm process. Work on Polaris had likely been going on for about a year or so when work on NX started, so it is in theory possible that they said to AMD “Hey, we like this primitive discard accelerator thing, can we have it on our planned 28nm chip?”. The issue with this is that Nintendo would have had to fork over quite a lot of extra R&D dollars to get a functional block “back-ported” to 28nm, compared to components from existing GCN 1.2 chips, which were already ready to go for TSMC’s 28nm process. The other issue is the assumption that the primitive discard accelerator is single functional block that can be just pulled wholesale out of Polaris. It could be an integral part of the geometry processor or command processor, or the manner in which it operates could depend on the newer geometry or command processors in Polaris. This would mean that you’d need to port the bulk of Polaris’s improvements back to 28nm, or do a substantial amount of redesign work on the primitive discard accelerator to get it to work in a GCN 1.2-era chip (either of these would add substantially more R&D cost).

It’s impossible to say how much it would cost them in the scheme of things, but it does seem like an unusual added expense over just taking existing GCN 1.2 tech, which would still be a generation ahead of the competition.”

So with this quote, while it’s not confirmed, it is highly likely Nintendo is using a 14nm Polaris GPU in the NX based off of the expensive nature of using PDA or any Polaris feature set and putting it on a 28nm chip.
If Nintendo does go with 14nm, it is very likely they will be taking a loss on each NX sold, but we don’t know the dealings AMD have with Nintendo. Once source told me “AMD may have been desperate enough for the business to offer Nintendo, say, the first year’s supply at a fixed price, to reduce Nintendo’s yield risk. They may also have specifically pushed Nintendo into a 14nm Polaris-based chip, as it would allow Nintendo to also use a Polaris-based 14nm chip for the handheld. This would not only be a big business win for AMD in itself (Nintendo’s handhelds typically sell a lot more than their home consoles), but it would also big a big PR win for them, by showing their ability to compete in the ultra-low TPD sector, which is a market they’ve made pretty much no traction in up until now.”
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So 14nm is still likely in 2016 and Nintendo could still sell it at a reasonable price and not lose too much money or even break even.

tl;dr The NX GPU is using features that are debuting on the Polaris chip, and is therefore heavily speculated to be a Polaris chip, as that would work well in a handheld too and help AMD prove they can make low wattage chips with good performance for small devices. (GCN 1.3, Vulkan, Primitive Discard Accelerator, etc)

Nintendo is using Vulkan with NX. This goes hand in hand with using a Polaris-based GPU, and goes with the announcement of Nintendo joining Kronos. But the dev I spoke to about the GPU, who is porting a PS4 game to NX said Vulkan is not ready yet (as of the 2015 December SDK, should be an update in May) and they are using a variation of the PS4 API, GMNX, until Vulkan is ready. Nintendo providing some nice tools like GMNX to help devs port from PC, XBox and PS4 to NX.

Most dev kits won’t be given until Nintendo formally reveals the NX. As my previous post indicated, Nintendo is none too happy with the leaks and is keeping things on lockdown. Outside of close partners and internal teams, most devs are using SDK’s until the NX reveal. Not a big deal, but I was told specs are pretty much final as of now, and the May update will likely be for the final spec sheet and not target specs.

MercurySteam has a dev kit and is making an already announced game for the NX. The only announced game they have is Raiders of the Broken Planet, currently under development for PS4, XB1 and PC. This is likely it. (Take this one as a T0.5).

Final Fantasy XV on NX. My single source on this said he’s heard more of his sources mention it’s coming to NX. No idea when. I pressed for FFVIIR but nobody has heard about it. Gaf’s very own mod Kagari hinted that Sony may have co-funded it and it may never get released outside of PS4 and PC (like Street Fighter V).

NX will likely launch at different times per region. Only heard this from one source but it does make sense if the NX does use 14nm chips, as there’s a risk of not having enough of those chips ready on shelves for holiday 2016.

No regions were specified, but one would assume with the slow adoption of consoles in Japan, and the popularity of handhelds over there, the NX will launch in the west first like some past Nintendo consoles (consoles are more popular outside of Japan). Likely North America and Europe.

There are lots of NX games in development. Once source told me to post this so I won’t edit it at all

“And you can quote me on this on GAF too: “I think NX software output is going to blow away Wii U. There’s a LOT of games in development. I don’t know if we’ll see all of them at E3, since a lot of Wii U projects weren’t announced until January 2013, but I’m very impressed so far with what I’m hearing.”
New IP are being developed. I asked this because I noticed some complaints about how there were no leaks about new IP and NX was looking like another Mario/Zelda factory with a bunch of remasters and ports. The source said “I’m not allowed to give specifics, but that’s a sure bet.”

Now if you’ll excuse me, two well dressed Japanese men are at my door.

[Hellrazor]

Последние слухи с gamemag, обобщающие, так сказать, последние вбросы:
http://gamemag.ru/news/110931/nintendo-nx-mnogo-novyh-sluhov

[dimm0505]

Последние слухи с gamemag, обобщающие, так сказать, последние вбросы:
http://gamemag.ru/news/110931/nintendo-nx-mnogo-novyh-sluhov

Так это все то, что я написал выше =)))

[Jojo]

Нинтенда умеет интриговать. Даже сильнее, чем с Вии Ю в свое время. Ну, поглядим. Тут вообще не понятно, что с индустрией будет.

[Hellrazor]

Так это все то, что я написал выше =)))

Я же написал, что это обобщение, включающее, помимо прочего, и отсутствующую в твоем посте информацию))

[dimm0505]

Я же написал, что это обобщение, включающее, помимо прочего, и отсутствующую в твоем посте информацию))

Так я тезисно отметил самые главные и интересные моменты. Все остальное на геймаге - шелуха, да к тому же безграмотно переведенная =) "Чип FinFET" =)
Я и полный оригинал привел, кстати.

[AleriF]

Например, что контроллер NX будет с экраном, и этот "мобильный" юнит с экраном можно "отстегнуть" от пада (а может просто сам контроллер будет компактный)

Не увидел в оригинальном тексте упоминаний отстегиваемого юнита. Написано же вроде, что просто контроллер можно будет брать с собой.

Кстати, это действительно было бы занятно. Тогда был бы смысл в существовании New 3DS совместно с NX, хотя 3DS все равно отойдет постепенно на второй план. Но это выглядит слишком смелым шагом в будущее. Хотя скажу честно — я бы такую консоль купил, если качество стриминга на уровне PS сделают.

[bahek]

Хотя скажу честно — я бы такую консоль купил, если качество стриминга на уровне PS сделают.

т.е. на уровне мыльного мыльца? ну уж нет, спасибо. а вот слухи про полярис действительно внушают интерес. главное, чтобы не получился второй геймкьюб. и может завезут уже нормальный онлайн сервис с магазином наконец

[Jojo]

Не увидел в оригинальном тексте упоминаний отстегиваемого юнита. Написано же вроде, что просто контроллер можно будет брать с собой.

Кстати, это действительно было бы занятно. Тогда был бы смысл в существовании New 3DS совместно с NX, хотя 3DS все равно отойдет постепенно на второй план. Но это выглядит слишком смелым шагом в будущее. Хотя скажу честно — я бы такую консоль купил, если качество стриминга на уровне PS сделают.

Ну, какой-то спорный прикол. Я бы предпочел, чтобы джойстик от NX и был аналогом New 3DS. Т.е. уходишь из дома с джойстиком и доигрываешь по дороге в то, что начал дома. Вот это было бы убойно. А городить кучу приблуд - это не дело.

[AleriF]

т.е. на уровне мыльного мыльца? ну уж нет, спасибо. а вот слухи про полярис действительно внушают интерес. главное, чтобы не получился второй геймкьюб. и может завезут уже нормальный онлайн сервис с магазином наконец

Дык это ж опционально. На ПК в Remote Play играть больно, а на Vita более-менее.

[tankist38]

не получился второй геймкьюб.

Второй GameCube это Wii U.

[Dntk]

Может сони и майки именно из-за nx собрались выпускать новые ревизии своих стационаров ?

[dimm0505]

Не увидел в оригинальном тексте упоминаний отстегиваемого юнита. Написано же вроде, что просто контроллер можно будет брать с собой.

Это я палку перегнул конечно, просто посчитал, что если экран будет опциональным, то его можно пристегнуть или отстегнуть =)

The NX is going to have a screen controller (whether it’s optional or standard I don’t know)

[Angel82]

Dntk - Да ты капитан очевидность прям :-)

[Hellrazor]

В сети появилась инфо, что Н запатентовала supplemental computing device (дополнительное вычислительное устройство).


Наверное для новой консоли приблуда, которая будет увеличивать ее мощность, позволяя сохранять изначальную версию консоли. Тоже весьма спорное решение, так сказать шаг в сторону архитектуры пека. А может для VR дополнительные мощности?

Ну явно не для U expansion pack

[AleriF]

The NX is going to have a screen controller (whether it’s optional or standard I don’t know)

Так написано же, что контроллер с экраном может быть опционален, а не экран опционален.